interface: and what kind of character are you? interface: a cyborg? pacodenaranja: im under construction interface: what is going to happen to my future interface: can you feel this on your head pacodenaranja: u might become a hero interface: and if not? pacodenaranja: a hero for a day interface: so it looks like this man has his eyes closed all the time, and his head is very long interface: where are you from paco? pacodenaranja: watch me? pacodenaranja: from kubelka town interface: only if your pic changes pacodenaranja: :) pacodenaranja: faschist vienna pacodenaranja: people dont even try to keep their right arm down interface: you are exactly right. pacodenaranja: :) interface: is typing or talking more like thinking? interface: thinking?

interface: what is this image that i'm seeing pacodenaranja: dont see anything interface: is this actually you? pacodenaranja: yes interface:or are you some kind of avatar? pacodenaranja: i hope so pacodenaranja: and you? interface: i, exist in several spaces virtually..... interface: within my body and my head interface: and two other continents pacodenaranja: Im programmed to be here 4 you in this moment interface: excellent interface: do you think memory is a virtual realm? pacodenaranja:yes interface: what are you doing there? pacodenaranja: waiting 4 you interface: don't you have other things to do? pacodenaranja: no interface: why not? interface: what was that? pacodenaranja: what should I do?

interface: let's talk about vienna interface: i have friends there pacodenaranja: tell me interface: filmmakers interface: named gustav deutsch pacodenaranja: oh I know gustav deutsch pacodenaranja: die kunst des reisens interface: gustav is maybe 50, he's a very nice man pacodenaranja: I know interface:: what does reisens, i don't understand the allusion. pacodenaranja: he worked on the art of travelling interface: well, say hello to him, if you see him some time. pacodenaranja: from jeremy? pacodenaranja: what films do u make? interface: short abstract movies, and nobody likes them interface: and you wouldn't have seen them pacodenaranja: this might well be the case pacodenaranja: how do u deal with nobody liking them? pacodenaranja: does that satisfy u? interface: it doesn't bother me, i don't like them. pacodenaranja: do u like them urself? interface: oh know, obviously i would like to make something worth looking at pacodenaranja: why do u do them? interface: not really, i just mean that they are unsuccessful... pacodenaranja: what is succesful? interface: mostly just to know about the process of making films, because i show other peoples' movies, so i like to know how films are made interface: if it resembles, what you had in mind b4 you began, because my films are systematic and determined b4 i make them, so if they fail they fail for technical reasons pacodenaranja: so u are the projector? interface: no, pacodenaranja: found footage? interface: no interface: working with footage that i acquire myself and then try to make it look like found footage. pacodenaranja: tricky interface: shouldn't be that tricky

interface: what's fun for you? pacodenaranja: hearing other peoples past lovestories interface: well, i guess i'll try to entertain. interface: is the person that i'm looking at the one i am talking to? pacodenaranja: just go ahead pacodenaranja: if you think less about past stories interface: it's interesting that your last name is "naranja" because there seems to be an orange theme around here. pacodenaranja: does that mean u are free 4 presentones? interface: i think it does, yes pacodenaranja: who is playing orange? interface: michelle is. pacodenaranja: :) interface: here's a question... interface: do you think art has to be about loss.....? interface: michelle is looking very new to me in her orange outfit pacodenaranja: i didn see her yet pacodenaranja: still thinking about ur question pacodenaranja: in a romantic tradition the answer would be yes interface: clearly speaking to an artist interface: well, loss doesn't have to be romantic loss, if it wasn't about loss, then i wonder why people would make it at all pacodenaranja: is everything which is not there a loss? interface: yes, as long as you see it as not being there. interface: speaking of art, how did you find michelle and is this the first time you are speaking through her? pacodenaranja: she found me pacodenaranja: but it is the first time interface: resourceful woman. interface: life on my trip was about 10 times as dense and life here interface: i wonder if i need that or i just need the alternation it is certainly a way of living in the present. pacodenaranja: after the loss of love- can u be innocent again? interface: no interface: sort of like a way of taking control of remembering and forgetting. pacodenaranja: no storage? interface: we're not really having a conversation in the present. interface: if there is no memory pacodenaranja: not really but very close to interface: sort of like reality. pacodenaranja: parallel may be pacodenaranja: do you feel being "one"? pacodenaranja: or being several? interface: i'm finding that my capacity for being several is increasing. pacodenaranja: due to what? interface: if i translate back to spanish it helps interface: due to the ever widening, branching of ones life pacodenaranja: how do u manage the changes interface: no effort at all. interface: y tu tu sientes uno o multiple? pacodenaranja: multiple pacodenaranja: but somehow surfing interface: yeah, somehow pacodenaranja: what is important in present art? interface: oh my god just a serious question... interface: the important thing is to maintain a sense of occasion. pacodenaranja: no effort... interface: there is a difference between diligence and discipline, i think pacodenaranja: what would that be? interface: the word diligence comes from the verb "to love" an so if i diligent, then i'm doing it effortlessly. interface: whereas discipline is imposed from the outside. interface: same thing goes for relationships. pacodenaranja: so I would fall effortless in space and spaces pacodenaranja: but then again if i´d started to remember pacodenaranja: would that be the the beginnig of discipline? interface: i feel like i'm speaking with myself.